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that's it for us. thanks for watching. erin burnett "outfront" starts now. a man with an ak-47 goes into a school in georgia. we're live on the scene tonight. and how american intelligence discovered al qaeda intelligence. police say three oklahoma seens shot and killed an unarmed man just for the fun of it,
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because they said they were bored. let's go "outfront." good evening, everyone. i'm erin burnett. i want to begin with the breaking news with the new details breaking tonight about a gunman who opened fire at a georgia elementary school today. the suspect was armed with an ak-47 when he began firing inside the school. you can see here the footage of the children sprinting hundreds of panicked children then ran for safety. the miracle here was that they weren't injured, none of them, but we're learning tonight that the gunman was armed and ready to kill a lot of people. our david mattingly is outside ronald mcnair discovery learning academy outside of atlanta with the very latest tonight. david, let's start off, first of all, with this gunman, what did he find? what was he prepared to do? what do you know about him? >> reporter: well, when police first got to the scene shortly after 1:00 eastern time today, the gunman inside fired about a
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half dozen shots at them. they returned fire. that was all, the shooting that went on here. after that the gunman actually gave himself up without incident, but you can bet there was a great deal of concern about what was going on inside that school. as he gave himself up when he went in there. they found that he had an ak-47, other weapons on him, but they haven't elaborated on exactly what he was carrying. he is in custody. he's described as 19 years old. no motive has been described by authorities yet, but they say he is being interrogated and they hope to have some answers soon. but you can imagine as the police were there under fire themselves, the children were having to find ways to get out of that school. some of them had to exit the school out the back and those dramatic pictures that we saw going off to a playground to seek refuge. they were all okay. frightened, some of them thought it was a fire drill as they were getting out of there, but, again, they were all okay. some of them had to stay in the school because of where they
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were, they had to shelter in place. but this gunman didn't hurt anyone. though he had the potential to do a great deal of arm here. erin? >> just amazing in terms of the children and how they were able to get to safety. in terms of this gunman, do they know, i know you are saying at this point we know about the ak-47 and other multiple weapons. and 19 makes me think of the lanza situation. but do you have any sense of what other types of guns and am nation, or at this point is that still a question mark? >> reporter: a big question mark. the authorities here just have not elaborated on what he was carrying. only specifically saying the ak-47. they were also talking about concerns about his car parked out in the parking lot in front of the school. one of the police dogs was able to sniff it and actually act -- responded as if there were explosives at this vehicle, so they were very carefully going through the car to make sure
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there was nothing there. we're waiting for the all-clear. we suspect we should be getting that pretty shortly. but at this point there's been no report that they actually found any explosives in there. because the car, erin, was in front of the school, they couldn't get the school buses to come in there and take the kids out like they normally do. so all the kids had to go out the back. they had to cut a hole in the screen at the back of the property of the school. go through someone's yard to a neighboring street. where they had the buses line up. so, that in itself was a big production. it took hours for the parents to get reunited with their kids and they were standing out here in the hot sun in a parking lot at a shopping center, very anxious, all of them very aware of what could have happened. you can't say that no one was hurt enough times to them to make them feel better until their child actually stepped off that school bus and into their arms. >> all right, thank you very much, david mattingly. and now our second story
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"outfront," we have new details tonight about planned terror attacks on america. u.s. officials have discovered an electronic meeting between more than 20 al qaeda top leaders and they did that by following the internet trail of an al qaeda courier. now, this is according to reporting by the daily beast. you'll recall it was that meeting of al qaeda leaders that prompted the obama administration to issue an unprecedented terror alert ordering the closing of nearly two dozen american embassies in the mideast and north africa. josh roggen is the reporter that broke the story. josh, let me start with this, when you hear the word courier and al qaeda you think of the capture of osama bin laden, a physical courier driving the car that they were able to follow, so we've heard about this before. but this is an electronic trail, that's how they were able to find this. how do they do it? >> so, here's what happened, after a seven-hour internet conference between all of these leaders, the details of that conference, the minutes of it, were given to this courier and he then took it and tried to send it around to a greater
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distribution list inside the al qaeda community. when he did that, he made some mistakes in his operational security and they were able to catch the mistakes and track him and with the help of the yemeni authorities pick him up and capture him and when they got him they found a video of the entire seven-hour conference call along with a host of all other sorts of goodies about what al qaeda was up to. that is exactly how we found out about the worldwide terror threat that prompted the embassy closings. the courier himself is still in custody somewhere in yemen being held by yemeni authorities and they are still going through the troves of information caught on his person. >> you talked about a seven-hour conference and obviously there was a lot of information that led to these closings but other information that they found as well. what more can you tell us about the conference? >> right, so it was described by some of our sources as a board meeting of al qaeda leaders and affiliates and aspiring affiliates from all over the world, nigeria, southeast asia and eli lake and i at the daily beast were able to report that
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the leader of al qaeda, zawahiri started the conference with a video message. it's not clear if he was in the conference or gave a video message to give at the conference and he announced the promotion of the leader and he was in the conference and took direct questions. zawahiri reappeared later in the conference. it was a long conference so people were coming in and out. they discussed all sorts of things. they discussed zawahiri's opinion that the u.s. was in decline. he compared the u.s. now to soviet union in 1989 just before the berlin wall came down. he advised the al qaeda affiliates to take advantage of this decline in american influence in the region. he announced the promotion of the general manager of al qaeda -- >> it does sound like a board meeting. >> yeah, so they covered a whole bunch of things, ideology, some business, some tasks, they really got a lot done, apparently. >> before you go, you said the courier is in custody in yemen
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and obviously the embassies have reopened, including the american embassy in yemen. is this an all-clear or given all the information that they have, do they think there's another attack in the works? >> right. on this conference call they vaguely discussed a threat and said some teams that were in place. there was a date around that threat. now that date has come and gone. the consulate in lahore, pakistan, remains closed. what we know is that the overall threat from al qaeda remains, the specific threat may have passed. we know they're out there and they're trying to plan attacks and we have to be vigilant at all times. >> josh, thank you very much. josh roggen breaking it with eli lake. how and where was the accused boston marathon bomber shot? we have new details tonight for you. and the secretary of state hillary clinton, put four officials on administrative leave following the american attack on the embassy in benghazi, guess what? they're being brought back to their jobs. what would motivate three oklahoma teens to out murder someone out for a jog?
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new details on the injuries sustained by the suspected boston marathon bomber. so we have some newly released court documents and if you feed them, you see this dzhokhar tsarnaev suffered multiple gunshot wounds during the shootout with police on april 19th. the most severe injury according
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to the report was a gunshot wound to the left side of his face which came all the way through his face and exited the other side. there are also questions tonight surrounding the death of someone that knew his older brother, someone that could be very important to the murders the brothers committed. he was killed by the fbi in may, while agents and police questioned him about his connection to the tsarnaevs. his father is convinced the fbi is hiding something and he's demanding answers tonight. susan candiotti is "outfront" in orlando and we want to warn you that some of the images you'll see in this piece are disturbing. >> for us, very difficult. >> reporter: nearly four months after the fbi fatally shot his son during questioning, he insists things don't add up. >> translator: i would want to tell them that they committed a murder. >> reporter: officially the fbi has yet to explain exactly what happened at this apartment in may. its internal review is not complete. law enforcement sources tell cnn
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the agent involved acted in self-defense. ibrahim todavhev had just confessed to participating in a triple murder with boston bomber dzhokhar tsarnaev, slitting the throats of three people. from there, things are murky. he allegedly attacked an fbi agent, but why? was he provoked? did he simply snap? did an fbi agent overreact when he shot todachev or was that agent genuinely afraid he'd lose his life? law enforcement sources tell cnn he allegedly flipped over a table knocking the agent against the wall and came after him with a broomstick. the agent opened fire. do you think the fbi can fairly investigate itself? >> translator: it's doubtful someone can fairly judge themselves. >> reporter: these never-before-seen photos obtained by cnn show blood inside todashev's apartment
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where he apparently fell. sources say he was shot seven times. for now the medical examiner's report is sealed. at cnn's request, forensic expert cyril wecht looked at photos taken at a funeral home. >> i think he was first struck in the chest. he began to fall. they continued to fire. and as he's falling forward as i'm demonstrating here, a shot goes into the shoulder and shot goes into the head. >> reporter: the father asked for a private meeting with florida's lead prosecutor in orlando who recently announced he's conducting an independent investigation. >> translator: i think he will be fair and not take the fbi's side. >> reporter: the council on american islamic relations representing the father said c.a.r.e. has faith in the justice department but wants a second set of eyes. >> and it's about, you know, answering the questions that this father has why his son was killed. >> now, susan, i mean, you hear about this and obviously there
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seems to have been something that could have gone very wrong, seven shots. any response from the fbi? >> reporter: no, they're not saying anything, erin, and they say they won't until their internal investigation is done. but they did issue a statement, and it reads in part, quote, the fbi takes very seriously any shooting incidents involving our agents. the review process is thorough and objective and conducted as expeditiously as possible. but we also wanted to point out as "the new york times" did that after it obtained records through the freedom of information act, looking at 150 shootings by the fbi between 1993 and 2011, the record show that all fbi internal investigations found those shootings to be justified. now, will the family sue? they say they haven't decided yet. they're waiting for all of these reviews to be done, including the ones from the fbi and the state attorney's office here in orlando. erin? >> all right, susan, thank you. and now our fourth stoi
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"outfront," three oklahoma teenagers charged with shooting a man to death for fun. this is one of the most horrible stories you've ever heard. the teens told police that 22-year-old christopher lane, an australian in america on a baseball scholarship was chosen at random. they say he ran by their house and then they saw him and then decided to get in their car and followed him. they then gunned him down in the street. at the hearing 15-year-old james edward junior and 16-year-old chanceny luna who allegedly pulled the trigger were charged as adults with first degree murder. and michael jones is charged with accessory and for driving the car from which the gun was fired. chief ford is with us and i spoke to him. thank you for taking the time to be with us. >> no problem. >> obviously you have these three teenagers. this story is really impossible to believe, sir. what led you to believe that they killed this student, this 22-year-old young man, purely for amusement?
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how do you know there was no other motivation? >> it was in the second interview of the 17-year-old. he was asked why they did it. and he basically said we were bored. they didn't have anything to do and we decided to kill somebody. he was our target. >> do they at all explain why they picked this young man, christopher lane? >> the word -- the best word i can give you is that they said they saw him go by. they were in a residence. saw him go by. the statement i have that has been conveyed to me is "that's our target." >> and you also i know in addition to the interviews that your police force has conducted with these three teenagers, there was also reportedly surveillance video that led to the arrests, that led to people seeing how exactly this happened that they allegedly shot this 22-year-old innocent man in the back and killed him. what else did you see on that surveillance video? >> the surveillance video came
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from some merchants in the area where they left the -- one of the roads that they had gone west on and hit u.s. 81. and basically it was the vehicle, a black vehicle, entering the parking lot going behind a motel. and then about 11 minutes coming from back out from behind that motel. >> and, chief, what goes through your head when you hear something like this, so senseless, so horrible, that these young men in interrogation with your police force admit they were going to kill somebody, we were bored. i mean, no one watching this program has ever heard anything like that in their lives. >> i don't think anybody could understand that. i would hope that the general public and other people would not be able to understand or have -- or be able to say i understand because i don't. >> all right. well, thank you very much, chief ford, we appreciate your time tonight. >> you bet.
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and in tonight's "money and power" the safest car on the road it's the all-electric tesla model "s," it earned the highest possible rating in government crash tests. watch this. score 5.4 when you see it drive into the wall there. and basically the reason tesla did so well apparently partly because it's electric and it doesn't have a gasoline engine and what that means it creates a large crumple zone in front of the car so that can absorb a greater frontal impact. safe and apparently pretty hot and sexy, it won "motor trend" car of the year last november. it's a pretty good combo, it's great news for elon musk, he unveiled last week the hyper loop which he hopes will get people from san francisco to l.a. in 30 minutes instead of i believe five or six hours. still to come, was it a relationship or an assault? a florida 19-year-old is going back to jail accused of more inappropriate contact with a younger girl she's involved with.
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our fifth story "outfront" death of a legend, best selling author elmore leonard died today. he was known for gritty realism and forceful dialogue, referred to as the dickens of detroit. 26 of his books have been adapted for the big screen, get shorty, out of sight, 310 to yuma. we talked about paying tribute to someone of the great writers,
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we thought one of the best ways was to hear from the man himself. >> i'll come to my desk about 9:30 and work. but i always work until 6:00. rarely have lunch. the idea of lunch doesn't interest me at all, i'm not hungry. i'm just into what i'm doing. i write in longhand, and it's just to me that's writing, you know? and then i put it on a typewriter. i just stop at 6:00 because you got to stop sometime. but, still, yeah, the character, though, could still be in my head. and maybe i might even sound like that character. maybe all day long i might sound like that character. and my wife might say, well, i know who you are today. i never, ever write from my own point of view. i never use my words. i don't want them to hear me telling them what the -- or showing them what the book is about.
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i want them immersed in it the same way that i am. but, still, the satisfaction is sitting right here. and i do think about it every once in a while. that here i am all alone. i'm looking out the window. and i'm just fooling around with a scene. i'm writing a story. i'm all by myself writing the story. and somebody's going to pay me a lot of money for it. and i think that's wonderful. still to come outrage continues over the government's surveillance program, but what about the other people who are watching us every single day? plus, a new psa re-creates the last moments of trayvon martin's life. something, by the way, forbidden in the courtroom. is it an important message or does it go way too far? the 1927 miami dolphins finally get to the white house, there's a problem here and some of them chose not to make the
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welcome back to the second half of "outfront." we're going to start with stories where we focus on reporting from the front lines, so want to begin with an update on a story we've been looking for answers to for the past year. the attack in benghazi. cnn has learned that the four state department workers who were put on administrative leave after the benghazi attack are being offered their new positions at the state department. they include then assistant secretary of state eric boswell who was one of two officials responsible for approving or not as the case ended up being requests for more security. it's worth noting an accountability review board found that the deaths of the four americans were the result of, quote, systemic failures in leadership and management deficiencies at senior levels. but both the board and secretary john kerry don't believe these officials should lose their jobs. we have a lot more on benghazi on our blog including clips from our documentary "the truth about benghazi." it's back to jail for
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caitlin hunt. the florida teenage girl charged with having sex with a 14-year-old female classmate. hunt's bond was revoke because prosecutors show that she secretly met with the girl after she was ordered not to. one text message allegedly sent from the girl to hunt reads, quote, brian asked me today if anyone saw us in the bathroom when we would do stuff. should i have said names? hunt according to authorities responded, quote, no. say nobody. hunt's family maintains that the relationship between the two girls was consensual. dr. oz to the rescue, the famous cardiac surgeon was in the right place at the right time and he stepped up to the plate. he helped treat a woman who was hit by a cab outside of his office in new york today. the cab careened up onto the sidewalk, hit this woman. dr. oz was there. he didn't pat himself on the back. he praised the heroic actions of plumber david justino who removed his belt that dr. oz
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used as a tourniquet. lawmakers in congress. topping the list of money on the hill, darrell issa's fortune rose to $355 million in 2012. that is -- that is wealthy by any "forbes" standard. his riches certainly are not tied to the $174,000 a year he makes on the hill, but the greenback he raked as director -- the founder, i'm sorry, of direct it electronics which is the company that makes the viper car alarm. remember this tv commercial? ♪ >> viper car. protected by viper. stand back. >> that is darrell issa's voice protected by viper, stand back. it is been 745 days since the u.s. lost its top credit rating. what are we doing to get it back?
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most u.s. stocks are up ending a four-day down streak. all eyes on the fed tomorrow. minutes of its most recent meeting will come out. investors are desperate to find out when the fed will scale back its unprecedented stimulus for the u.s. economy. the sixth story "outfront" you are being watched. the obama administration, of course, has been on the defensive to say the least over its spy agencies collecting information on us. but it is not only the government that is keeping tabs on you. not even close. every single time you go on the internet and you search, a wealth of information about you, your family, and, yes, your most personal, personal details are being collected and sold. tom foreman with the first of a series of an "outfront" investigation. >> reporter: worth more than the company that produced the "star wars" films, more than mcdonald's makes in a year, even more than ferrari, that is how valuable internet advertising has become. raking in well over $30 billion annually, spurring a gold rush among companies for information about you.
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>> just in the last couple years you've seen a real explosion in sophistication of tracking and targeting technologies. >> reporter: jason brookman is with the center for democracy and technology. so let's talk about how this works. imagine there's a couple that finds out they are expecting a baby and they go online immediately to look up the word pregnancy. what happens? >> right. so right away they've shared with google that they're interested in pregnancy, and then i start clicking on links. >> reporter: with every click powerful marketing companies drop electronic cookies onto our couple's track to record their browsing history and what they looked at and for how long and how much they spend. some may even link to the couple's real world shopping habits, noting that they purchased a home pregnancy test and suddenly in their e-mails, on their smartphones in social media sites comes an avalanche of ads for baby bottles,
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strollers, car seats, cribs and much more. and all of this could happen before this couple even tells their family that they're pregnant. >> yeah. >> reporter: and if you search something more delicate like sexually transmitted disease, infidelity or escorts those, too, would be tracked. and all of this is drawing the attention of the federal trade commission. >> consumers may be very concerned if their children's information is tracked in this way. and there are also questions about whether this information is -- who it's given to. can your employer get it? can your insurer get it and learn about, you know, all your habits? >> reporter: still, so far the government is relying on the internet ad industry to control itself. even as it grows steadily better at tracking your every move, purchase and click. for "outfront," i'm tom foreman in washington. >> pretty amazing, right? well, this is the first in a series and we'll have a lot more scary things about what's really happening out there coming up later this week. and the seventh story
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"outfront" a dramatic reenactment of the trayvon martin shooting. there's a 90-second service announcement that says -- and the coalition to stop gun violence has put it out. re-creating the final encounter between george zimmerman and the florida teen, it uses actors, but it uses portions of the real 911 call. >> are you following him? >> yeah. >> okay. we don't need you to do that. >> okay. >> all right. sir, what is your name? >> george. >> so, you think he's yelling help? >> yes. >> all right. >> there's gunshots. >> who is saying they shot who? >> the ad is called "stand up to stand your ground" and as you can see, it dramatizes the shooting and urges voters to oppose the laws that exist in 26
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states and while it's doing that it pans across the bodies of young boys dressed in hoodies that represent not just trayvon martin but they say shooting victims from stand your ground across the country. is this ad fair? does it go too far? i want to bring in "outfront" george zimmerman's defense attorney mark o'mara. great to see you. >> great to see you. >> what bothers you the most about this ad, or do you think it's fair? >> well, the real problem with it is that it's just the dramatic sort of fantasy of what really happened that night. i'm not sure why they have to reinterpret the facts of what happened. my greatest concern is that those people who are using this ad for certain purposes sort of are going to allow themselves to be ignored because the legislators who know better that this stuff doesn't represent the truth or the facts now have an opportunity to sort of ignore the message and ignore the messenger. i think they're hurting their own cause by doing something that doesn't base itself in fact. >> a spokesman person for trayvon martin's family did put out a statement which you may be aware of but let me read it.
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the ads are too emotional for the family to discuss at this time. however, they're committed to building the trayvon martin foundation and educating the public about how these laws need to be reviewed. now, mark, of course, as you're well aware "the tampa bay times" did a study of stand your ground cases, 73% of those who killed a black person faced no penalty. 59% who killed a white person faced no penalty. when looked at that way, it does seem that these laws need to be looked at again. do you acknowledge that at all, or no? >> no, i do. and actually, i've said in other times that we do need to maybe review the stand your ground statute, take a look at it and the see if it needs polishing in the area where it seems to tell people that you don't have to try another way out. my concern is the way that it's been presented is now 250 million, 300 million americans may be getting the wrong message about a self-defense statute that otherwise is a pretty good law. look at it and polish it up, but
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doing so with the dramatic overtone to it will allow things to be ignored and we'll not have a conversation unless we have a true, honest and straightforward one about what does need to be changed about the law. >> now, there's that conversation. then there's this, the fact that your client was acquitted, and your client is living in this country and there's ads like this that, you know, obviously put out a different picture, right? they presume that something was very wrong and that this was a wrong verdict. now, people are very passionate about this issue but nonetheless he's a citizen and he's allowed to live his life freely right now. does this ad further damage his reputation? make him even less safe? >> it absolutely does. what it does is sort of perpetuate the belief a week after this event happened in february of 2012 and says that george zimmerman is some racist murderer when all of the facts that have been supported by evidence and not by emotion suggest that he's not. unfortunately my hope maybe sort of polyannish as it was,
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people would listen to the verdict and the trial and instead we have this blowback by evidence that's not supported that now people believe in. >> have you spoken to george recently? how recently? what is he telling you? what's he doing? >> this past week he is doing okay. he is concerned about this sort of blowback or this reaction to a well-founded, not guilty verdict that people still want to believe that he did something wrong when the jury decided he didn't. he's got to sort of live in that type of fear still. and quite honestly, you know, the country we live in, the system that we utilize to dispense justice did so. it did so in a well-presented trial and we should have trust in it and move on from that point. >> and a final question to you, sir, everyone is waiting for what the department of justice would do, whether they will push ahead with a civil rights case. do you think that they will? >> eric holder said that they're looking into it. i know they started looking into it a year ago and stopped looking into it in april of 2012. i'm not sure what else they have to do but we welcome any investigation they want to do
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because we'd like to have it finalized once and for all. we certainly know and believe that the result of that investigation's going to be as it was last year, that there is no racism that was inherent in this case or obvious in this case or existing in this case. and i would just the doj to get to their job and then to announce, in fact, that there was no racist tendencies, no civil rights violations so the rest of the country can finally put that to rest. >> mark o'mara, thanks so much. good to talk to you again. well, it's been 41 years since the 1972 miami dolphins won the super bowl and they finally got their visit to the white house. you usually get one. didn't happen back then. president obama hosted 31 players and the coach don shula at a ceremony today. it was a make-good because, you know, an appearance with the president was not possible back in 1973. nixon had, you know, other things going on at the time. anyway, incidentally three players, bob keuchenberg, jim langer and manny fernandez did not make the trip due to political differences with the
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current administration. still the 1972 miami dolphins went 14-0 in the regular season, then they won all three postseason games including super bowl vii, they remain the only nfl team to complete the entire season undefeated to the super bowl. swi an amazing achievement, which brings me the number four, the number of teams that have come close, only one loss during the regular and post seasons, the 1972 dolphins actually reportedly hold a champagne toast when an undefeated team finally loses a game which sounds unsportsmanlike to us. shouldn't they want to celebrate the next winners? maybe not. let us know what you think at twitter or still to come, the debate of unpaid interns is landing on the president's lap. should the white house start paying its interns? and senator ted cruz reaffirms his allegiance to america. but he did it in a pretty nasty way. why did he leave canada in the cold?
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to pay or not to pay? tonight the white house is under growing pressure to pay its interns, so here's how it works right now. interns at the white house are not paid. i mean, after all, you get to meet the president. housing is not provided. an intern should expect to work monday through friday 9:00 to 6:00 p.m. which i might editorialize is a lot shorter hours than anybody who has a paying job in the white house. but those rules are not flying with one advocacy group. just because you call them an intern doesn't mean you can get out of paying minimum wage. does the argument add up? or does the experience a student get worth its weight in gold? after all, you come in with no skills and you leave with the ability to get a real good job and tell everybody you met the president. stephanie miller, and joe concha. great to have all of you here. joe, let me start with you, 9:00 to 6:00 monday through friday, that's a part-time job for the white house. i'm just kidding, but that is a full-time job, so why shouldn't they be paid for the work? >> because they're getting so many other things when they're interning at the white house, erin.
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they are getting experience, not just the kind of you get in college when you dabble with a couple of things, you get practical hands-on experience. you get people to write recommendations for you, if i'm in journalism and jay carney writes a recommendation to say, hey, you should hire this guy, i think he'll pay more attention to that than the guy working at the shake shack over the summer, right? and networking, all the people you meet along the way. these are invaluable things that give you long-term prospects that you cannot get anywhere else and you cannot get in the classroom. >> i have to say, i wouldn't expect -- if i were offered an internship like that and i wasn't related to anybody that would allow me to get that, which is a bigger issue with the internships, why should they be paid? >> you are making their point for them, because the thing is that, yeah, social networks matter. getting access to the resources matters, but not everyone can afford to take an unpaid internship, right? >> fair point.
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>> if i'm an employer, i want people who are motivated and dedicated and are actually willing to do real work. and if i'm not giving them a payment, what i'm going to create is a fun experience for them, right? and that's not actually training you for the real world of work. >> right. >> the kid who is working at the shake shack is actually going to get more valuable experience than the person who comes where they are essentially being entertained, where it's essentially an obligation for the actual employees of the organization to keep the kids -- >> interesting point. >> -- to give them some faux busy work and an imaginary look at what the real work life is like. it's not like that at all. you want to show them to be responsible and show up on time and for that you pay people. >> so stephanie, federal law. here's how it breaks down. an unpaid internship is accepted for public and governmental agencies, and charitable and other nonprofit organizations. we need to remember if you were to pay them, you would be using to pay taxpayer dollars to pay
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people who ha people, which might bother some people. >> i really, really love shake shack, it is a really good burger. but i think there would be a lot of opportunities that kids wouldn't get if you didn't have this. there's a lot of companies -- look i just hired an intern that will start in full. trust me, in progressive radio, you can't afford to pay interns. i think it's a lot of opportunities that would be lost for kids, and i did it when i was in college. when you're in college, you did it for class credit. i think it's an amazing experience to work at the white house. you get to meet the new white house dog. come on. >> sunny, tremendous. but that's the whole thing.
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who is paying for this? white house tours still aren't going on. so students who want to be educated, they can't go see the white house, but we're going to pay interns who never got paid before to do a job that, again, the experience -- >> there are companies that face tight profit margins, businesses that are losing money and they would i'm sure love to have as much free labor that they could take on. but it's just the same with progressive radio. we say hey, we're going to impose a wage floor on you, because we believe this protects the interest of workers. i think there are workers for whom it does -- >> all right. >> if you do that for one group, you have to do it for all. >> p. diddy's intern is suing because she had to answer the phone, get lunch and get decorations for the office.
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every day we look for the outfront outtake. it's been a very rough day for our friends in canada. they thought they were cruising to the white house, but their hopes were ted on arrival. despite being born in canada, senator cruz decided to turn his back on our neighbors to the north. his people, and wrap himself in the american flag. but why? what would cause him to leave the canucks out in the cold? he wants to be president. for some reason, he thinks the american voters would never accept someone with dual citizenship between canada and the united states as president. apparently, in his mind, canadians just don't have that self-made spirit. canadians brought us the walkie-talkie, the electric wheelchair, the snow blower, the pacemaker, the egg carton, insulin, the alkaline battery, instant replay, the garbage bag,
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the game of basketball, and the bear trap, which we apparently immediate more of in this country if you've been watching the news? we need a president who knows about those bear traps. but maybe ted cruz is right. maybe there's too much baggage associated with being canadian. after all, the luggage ticket was invented by a canadian, too. still to come, an idea that could change the way you read forever. lking to a helmet. it grabbed the patient's record before we even picked him up. it found out the doctor we needed was at st. anne's. wiggle your toes. [ driver ] and it got his okay on treatment from miles away. it even pulled strings with the stoplights. my ambulance talks with smoke alarms and pilots and stadiums. but, of course, it's a good listener too. [ female announcer ] today cisco is connecting the internet of everything. so everything works like never before. [ female announcer ] today cisco is connecting the internet of everything. the great outdoors...
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authors don't usually have the resources available to them that filmmakers and television producers do. but one writer's idea could change all of this, forever. in a world where the producers of film, television and even video games use slick marketing campaigns to promote their work, books off fall through the cracks. but one author's idea could change of that. when she discusses her latest novel, it's easy to forget she's talking about a book at all. >> i'm standing right here where the first scene takes place. the main character is a washed up investigative journalist whose life has not turned out as he would like. and he encounters a mysterious
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young woman who ends up dead. >> unlike some other novelists, she's looking beyond her book, using trailers, apps and other digital content to promote and enhance her story. >> i wrote five short films, and they're basically windows into the world of night film. introducing readers to the universe. we're at an interesting time right now in terms of content creation, and boundaries that previously existed between books and film and the internet aren't so rigid anymore. >> the response online has been very positive. she's optimistic the idea can grow. >> so much of story telling now is a 360 degree experience. i like the idea of writers feeling that they don't have to be confined to a particular medium anymore. and they can have a larger landscape in which to play and be creative and tell stories.
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the novel itself is not going away, but there's a place for innovation and taking risks. that's probably where i'm going to be safe. >> "night film" is in stores today. piers morgan is next. welcome to the viewers in the united states and around the world. guns, why it's time to do something about them. tonight two. georgia, children are safe after a gunman with an ak-47 opened fire at an elementary school. the gunman was 20 years old. >> an australian baseball player here on a scholarship gunned down dead by three teenagers done by they said the fun on it. >> senseless. there is nothing he could have done. >> why kids kill. plus a beloved hollywood legend escapes death and tweets about it.